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♪ We are Farmers. Bum-pa-dum, bum-bum-bum-bum ♪ bum-bum-bum-bum ♪ REPORT TONIGHT ON GUN SAFETY REPORT TONIGHT ON GUN SAFETY REFORM. REFORM. I SAY GUN SAFETY, NOT GUN I SAY GUN SAFETY, NOT GUN CONTROL BECAUSE WHILE BANNING CONTROL BECAUSE WHILE BANNING CERTAIN GUNS REMAINS CERTAIN GUNS REMAINS CONTROVERSIAL, PREVENTING CONTROVERSIAL, PREVENTING CERTAIN PEOPLE FROM BUYING GUNS CERTAIN PEOPLE FROM BUYING GUNS NOT CONTROVERSIAL AT ALL. NOT CONTROVERSIAL AT ALL. WE ARE A NATION DIVIDED OVER ALL WE ARE A NATION DIVIDED OVER ALL KINDS OF STUFF FROM TRUMP TO KINDS OF STUFF FROM TRUMP TO ABORTION. ABORTION. BUT THERE’S UNITY. BUT THERE’S UNITY. NINE OUT OF TEN SUPPORT NINE OUT OF TEN SUPPORT BACKGROUND CHECKS TO EXCLUDE BACKGROUND CHECKS TO EXCLUDE DANGEROUS PEOPLE FROM BUYING A DANGEROUS PEOPLE FROM BUYING A GUN BECAUSE YOU’RE USING THE GUN GUN BECAUSE YOU’RE USING THE GUN TO MAKE SURE ONLY LAW ABIDEING TO MAKE SURE ONLY LAW ABIDEING PEOPLE TO GET GUNS AND MOST PEOPLE TO GET GUNS AND MOST PEOPLE FIND THAT LOGICAL. PEOPLE FIND THAT LOGICAL. AFTER SEVERAL MASS SHOOTINGS AFTER SEVERAL MASS SHOOTINGS DONALD TRUMP HAS CLAIMED TO DONALD TRUMP HAS CLAIMED TO AGREE WITH THE MAJORITY OF AGREE WITH THE MAJORITY OF AMERICANS ONLY TO BACKTRACK. AMERICANS ONLY TO BACKTRACK.>>THERE’S A VERY STRONG>>THERE’S A VERY STRONG APPETITE FOR BACKGROUND CHECKS APPETITE FOR BACKGROUND CHECKS AND I THINK WE CAN BRING UP AND I THINK WE CAN BRING UP BACKGROUND CHECKS LIKE WE’VE BACKGROUND CHECKS LIKE WE’VE NEVER HAD BEFORE. NEVER HAD BEFORE. WE HAVE TO HAVE MEANINGFUL WE HAVE TO HAVE MEANINGFUL BACKGROUND CHECKS. BACKGROUND CHECKS.>>WE DON’T WANT TO SEE CRAZY>>WE DON’T WANT TO SEE CRAZY PEOPLE OWNING GUNS. PEOPLE OWNING GUNS. I ALSO WANT TO REMEMBER THAT I ALSO WANT TO REMEMBER THAT MENTAL ILLNESS IS SOMETHING MENTAL ILLNESS IS SOMETHING NOBODY WANTS TO TALK ABOUT. NOBODY WANTS TO TALK ABOUT.>>WE HAVE VERY, VERY STRONG>>WE HAVE VERY, VERY STRONG BACKGROUND CHECKS RIGHT NOW. BACKGROUND CHECKS RIGHT NOW. A LOT OF THE PEOPLE THAT PUT ME A LOT OF THE PEOPLE THAT PUT ME WHERE I AM ARE STRONG BELIEVERS WHERE I AM ARE STRONG BELIEVERS IN THE SECOND AMENDMENT AND I AM IN THE SECOND AMENDMENT AND I AM ALSO. ALSO. AND WE HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL AND WE HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT THAT. ABOUT THAT. THEY CALL IT THE SLIPPERY SLOPE. THEY CALL IT THE SLIPPERY SLOPE. ALL OF A SUDDEN, EVERYTHING GETS ALL OF A SUDDEN, EVERYTHING GETS TAKEN AWAY. TAKEN AWAY.>>SO THAT’S TRUMP.>>SO THAT’S TRUMP. THAT’S HIS FLIP-FLOP. THAT’S HIS FLIP-FLOP. BUT RICK ROSS SAYS SOME THINGS BUT RICK ROSS SAYS SOME THINGS ARE DEEPER THAN RAP. ARE DEEPER THAN RAP. SOME THINGS ARE DEEPER THAN SOME THINGS ARE DEEPER THAN TRUMP BECAUSE WHILE HE DID THAT TRUMP BECAUSE WHILE HE DID THAT IN DAYS REPUBLICANS IN THE NRA IN DAYS REPUBLICANS IN THE NRA HAVE MADE THE SAME FLIP-FLOP HAVE MADE THE SAME FLIP-FLOP SHIFT, THEY JUST TOOK YEARS SHIFT, THEY JUST TOOK YEARS AFTER THE COLUMBINE SHOOTING IN AFTER THE COLUMBINE SHOOTING IN 1999, GUN VIOLENCE WAS A FLASH 1999, GUN VIOLENCE WAS A FLASH POINT. POINT. NINE OUT OF TEN AMERICANS STILL NINE OUT OF TEN AMERICANS STILL WANTED TO CLOSE THE GUN SHOW WANTED TO CLOSE THE GUN SHOW LOOPHOLE, IDENTICAL NOW. LOOPHOLE, IDENTICAL NOW. THE HISTORY AT THE TIME, 31 THE HISTORY AT THE TIME, 31 SENATE REPUBLICANS VOTED IN SENATE REPUBLICANS VOTED IN SUPPORT OF BACKGROUND CHECKS SUPPORT OF BACKGROUND CHECKS WITH THE NRA’S SUPPORT INCLUDING WITH THE NRA’S SUPPORT INCLUDING MITCH McCONNELL. MITCH McCONNELL. THAT DOESN’T MEAN THEY MADE THAT DOESN’T MEAN THEY MADE BACKGROUND CHECKS A REALITY. BACKGROUND CHECKS A REALITY. REPUBLICANS CAST THOSE VOTES IN REPUBLICANS CAST THOSE VOTES IN A PROCESS WHERE THEN OTHER A PROCESS WHERE THEN OTHER REPUBLICANS BLOCKS THE BILL FROM REPUBLICANS BLOCKS THE BILL FROM BECOMING LAW BECAUSE THE HOUSE BECOMING LAW BECAUSE THE HOUSE VOTED DOWN. VOTED DOWN. 13 YEARS AFTER COLUMBINE, 13 YEARS AFTER COLUMBINE, ANOTHER MASSACRE AT SANDY HOOK. ANOTHER MASSACRE AT SANDY HOOK. AND LOOK AT THE POLLING PATTERN, AND LOOK AT THE POLLING PATTERN, IF YOU CHECKS AT THE TIME, IF YOU CHECKS AT THE TIME, AGAIN, THE VAST MAJORITY OF AGAIN, THE VAST MAJORITY OF AMERICANS AND GUN OWNERS STILL AMERICANS AND GUN OWNERS STILL SUPPORTED BACKGROUND CHECKS. SUPPORTED BACKGROUND CHECKS. BUT WITH A DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENT BUT WITH A DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENT IN BARACK OBAMA AND A WIDER PUSH IN BARACK OBAMA AND A WIDER PUSH FOR REFORM, THERE WAS MORE FOR REFORM, THERE WAS MORE PROSPECT THE BILL COULD BECOME PROSPECT THE BILL COULD BECOME LAW AND DA DA DA, THE LAW AND DA DA DA, THE REPUBLICANS SHIFTED. REPUBLICANS SHIFTED. THIS TIME ONLY FOUR REPUBLICANS THIS TIME ONLY FOUR REPUBLICANS IN THE SENATE VOTED FOR THOSE IN THE SENATE VOTED FOR THOSE BACKGROUND CHICKS. BACKGROUND CHICKS. McCONNELL SWITCHED HIS VOTE TO McCONNELL SWITCHED HIS VOTE TO NO. NO. MATCHING THAT WIDER SHIFT I MATCHING THAT WIDER SHIFT I MENTIONED FROM THE NRA. MENTIONED FROM THE NRA. SOME PEOPLE FORGET ALL THIS SOME PEOPLE FORGET ALL THIS HISTORY. HISTORY. IT’S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND IT’S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND TODAY’S STANDOFF. TODAY’S STANDOFF. THE HEAD OF THE NRA, WAYNE LA THE HEAD OF THE NRA, WAYNE LA PEA PIERRE FACED CONGRESS AFTER PEA PIERRE FACED CONGRESS AFTER COLUMBINE AND HE SUPPORTED COLUMBINE AND HE SUPPORTED BACKGROUND CHECKS. BACKGROUND CHECKS. THIS WAS BACK WHEN HE WAS THE THIS WAS BACK WHEN HE WAS THE NRA VICE PRESIDENT. NRA VICE PRESIDENT.>>LET’S TALK ABOUT WHAT’S>>LET’S TALK ABOUT WHAT’S REASONABLE AND WHAT’S NOT. REASONABLE AND WHAT’S NOT. WE THINK IT’S REASONABLE TO WE THINK IT’S REASONABLE TO PROVIDE MANDATORY INSTANT PROVIDE MANDATORY INSTANT CRIMINAL BACKGROUND CHECKS FOR CRIMINAL BACKGROUND CHECKS FOR EVERY SALE AT EVERY GUN SHOW. EVERY SALE AT EVERY GUN SHOW. NO LOOPHOLES ANYWHERE FOR NO LOOPHOLES ANYWHERE FOR ANYONE. ANYONE.>>LET’S TALK ABOUT WHAT’S>>LET’S TALK ABOUT WHAT’S REASONABLE. REASONABLE. AND HE’S UNDER OATH FACING THE AND HE’S UNDER OATH FACING THE CONGRESS. CONGRESS. BY THE TIME PRESIDENT OBAMA WAS BY THE TIME PRESIDENT OBAMA WAS PUSHING WHAT YOU MIGHT CALL THAT PUSHING WHAT YOU MIGHT CALL THAT REASONABLE PLAN AFTER SANDY REASONABLE PLAN AFTER SANDY HOOK, LaPIERRE HAD A NEW LINE. HOOK, LaPIERRE HAD A NEW LINE.>>SO LET ME ASK YOU THIS.>>SO LET ME ASK YOU THIS. DO YOU STILL AS YOU DID IN 1999 DO YOU STILL AS YOU DID IN 1999 STILL SUPPORT MANDATORY STILL SUPPORT MANDATORY BACKGROUND CHES AT GUN SHOWS? BACKGROUND CHES AT GUN SHOWS?>>I DO NOT BELIEVE THE WAY THE>>I DO NOT BELIEVE THE WAY THE LAW IS WORKING NOW LAW IS WORKING NOW UNFORTUNATELY, THAT IT DOES ANY UNFORTUNATELY, THAT IT DOES ANY GOOD TO EXTEND THE LAW TO GOOD TO EXTEND THE LAW TO PRIVATE SALES BETWEEN HOBBYISTS PRIVATE SALES BETWEEN HOBBYISTS AND COLLECTORS. AND COLLECTORS.>>YOU DO NOT SUPPORT MANDATORY>>YOU DO NOT SUPPORT MANDATORY BACKGROUND CHECKS IN ALL BACKGROUND CHECKS IN ALL INSTANCES AT GUN SHOWS? INSTANCES AT GUN SHOWS?>>WE DO NOT.>>WE DO NOT.>>WE DO NOT.>>WE DO NOT. THIS IS REALLY BIG. THIS IS REALLY BIG. TAKE THIS IN. TAKE THIS IN. IT’S BECOME PRETTY COMMON TO IT’S BECOME PRETTY COMMON TO NOTE THE NRA DOESN’T REPRESENT NOTE THE NRA DOESN’T REPRESENT ALL AMERICANS OR GUN OWNERS OR ALL AMERICANS OR GUN OWNERS OR EVEN MOST GUN OWNERS WHEN IT EVEN MOST GUN OWNERS WHEN IT COMES TO BACKGROUND CHECKS. COMES TO BACKGROUND CHECKS. WHAT YOU’RE SEEING HERE IS IT’S WHAT YOU’RE SEEING HERE IS IT’S DEEPER PERFORM THE NRA DOESN’T DEEPER PERFORM THE NRA DOESN’T EVEN REPRESENT ITSELF BECAUSE EVEN REPRESENT ITSELF BECAUSE LIKE THAT REPUBLICAN SENATE LIKE THAT REPUBLICAN SENATE CAUCUS, IT’S BEEN ON BOTH SIDES CAUCUS, IT’S BEEN ON BOTH SIDES OF THIS BACKGROUND CHECK ISSUE. OF THIS BACKGROUND CHECK ISSUE. WHY? WHY? WELL, THERE ALREADY PLENTY OF WELL, THERE ALREADY PLENTY OF CRITICS AND EXPERTS ON THIS THE CRITICS AND EXPERTS ON THIS THE PEOPLE WHO WORK ON IT DAY IN AND PEOPLE WHO WORK ON IT DAY IN AND DAY OUT WHO TELL US IT’S EASIER DAY OUT WHO TELL US IT’S EASIER TO SUPPORT SOMETHING IN TO SUPPORT SOMETHING IN WASHINGTON WHEN IT HAS NO CHANCE WASHINGTON WHEN IT HAS NO CHANCE IN PASSING. IN PASSING. A POLITICIAN CAN SAY I’M WITH A POLITICIAN CAN SAY I’M WITH NINE OUT OF TEN VOTERS AND THEY NINE OUT OF TEN VOTERS AND THEY GO ASSURE THE NRA IT DOESN’T GO ASSURE THE NRA IT DOESN’T MATTER. MATTER. MAYBE THE NRA AND SHOWS SENATORS MAYBE THE NRA AND SHOWS SENATORS CLAIMED TO SUPPORT THE CLAIMED TO SUPPORT THE BACKGROUND CHECKS BECAUSE THEY BACKGROUND CHECKS BECAUSE THEY HAD REASON TO BELIEVE THOSE WOES HAD REASON TO BELIEVE THOSE WOES NEVER BECOME A REALITY. NEVER BECOME A REALITY. IT’S AN ECHO OF HOW MANY IT’S AN ECHO OF HOW MANY REPUBLICANS USED TO CLAIM THEY REPUBLICANS USED TO CLAIM THEY WERE FOR FREE MARKET HEALTH CARE WERE FOR FREE MARKET HEALTH CARE SOLUTIONS AND OBAMA CAME ALONG SOLUTIONS AND OBAMA CAME ALONG AND PUSHED THAT IDEA FOR AND PUSHED THAT IDEA FOR OBAMACARE AND SUDDENLY THEY OBAMACARE AND SUDDENLY THEY OPPOSED IT. OPPOSED IT. THERE’S SOMETHING ELSE GOING ON THERE’S SOMETHING ELSE GOING ON HERE. HERE. THAT IS EXACTLY WHY SOME GUN THAT IS EXACTLY WHY SOME GUN SAFETY ADVOCATES SAY THERE’S A SAFETY ADVOCATES SAY THERE’S A SLIVER OF GOOD NEWS FOR THEIR SLIVER OF GOOD NEWS FOR THEIR CAUSE. CAUSE. THEY SAY THIS DEBATE IS EXPOSING THEY SAY THIS DEBATE IS EXPOSING SOME OF THEIR OPPONENTS BECAUSE SOME OF THEIR OPPONENTS BECAUSE OF THE POLICY PROGRESS BECAUSE OF THE POLICY PROGRESS BECAUSE THEY’RE GETTING CLOSER JUST LIKE THEY’RE GETTING CLOSER JUST LIKE SO MANY STATES ARE GETTING SO MANY STATES ARE GETTING CLOSER AND HAVE EVEN PASSED GUN CLOSER AND HAVE EVEN PASSED GUN SAFETY REFORMS JUST IN THE LAST SAFETY REFORMS JUST IN THE LAST YEAR IN 2018. YEAR IN 2018. AND THAT RAISES A LARGER AND THAT RAISES A LARGER QUESTION. QUESTION. CAN THESE OPPONENTS OF REFORM CAN THESE OPPONENTS OF REFORM CONTINUE TO RESIST THAT NINE OUT CONTINUE TO RESIST THAT NINE OUT OF TEN POLITICAL GRAVITY ON THIS OF TEN POLITICAL GRAVITY ON THIS ISSUE THAT IS BEING EXPOSED IN ISSUE THAT IS BEING EXPOSED IN PUBLIC, CAN THEY FACE DOWN 90% PUBLIC, CAN THEY FACE DOWN 90% OF THE VOTING PUBLIC AND THEIR OF THE VOTING PUBLIC AND THEIR OWN RECORDS AND THEIR OWN SOUND

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